So who is Mr. X? The knife in the log was located near the girls right shoulder. On and on. Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. I live in Pennsylvania and have been interested in this case since the time it happened. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. That most likely wouldn't happen without resources like this constantly keeping attention on cases. Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? We are joined in the Garage by Skip Jansen to discuss a new suspect and a theory that is catching fire! So the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victims phone is proven. Skip provides a notable suspect at the scene with a shady storyline, but we still are left in the dark about motive. Tony Kline is 65, 310 pounds! Oh one more thing. R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. At 8:20 PM, the police scanner said that A., Mr. Xs wife, was coming to bring Mr. X a spare set of keys. These seem to have been packing plant workers in the Delphi area who get transferred over to the Evansdale area for periods of time to work on sister plants over there. The guys and Skip talked about DPs place within the timeline on the day of the murders, went into some details about his role in regards to a supposed "couple arguing" under the bridge within minutes of the time of the murders, and the woman involved in his alleged alibi. Skip said something on the true crime garage podcast that sounded to me like he is not in law enforcement. You want me to put it up? We believe that his truck got towed later on when his wife never showed up with the keys, that Mr. X searched Ron Logans land that evening with two other men, and that he left his truck sitting in that same spot for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found. I cant demand that my friends give me money! Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. So many armchair-detective, keyboard warriors who want to insert themselves into something they know nothing about; if they had any sense, they would realize that he is traveling to Delphi to answer questions, sort fact from fiction and definitively disprove the countless false claims and bad information that has spread about this case. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. One person wins and everyone else loses. You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. 7) Hes local. The only case I am familiar with is the Bittaker-Norris Murders in Southern California. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum. They simply dont have enough on him to get a conviction is all. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. Would you be able to send me any sort of timeline map to help me with my own investigation? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, This is a community where we can speak openly about the Murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi, IN, Press J to jump to the feed. Always. Could someone DM me who DP is? I must say, its obvious that Skip is about four levels higher than Grey Hughes. I see that you have replied to someone after mine, I am genuinely curious about this difference in graduation dates and would like to chat. Its all about the zero-sum game. He could have gone home, but for some reason he stayed with his truck. Do you think the POI drove to the Mears lot immediately after the crime or left the area? Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? The residents of Big Pine Key, Little Torch Key, and No Name Key were frightened and rightfully so. We regard Leaker as credible, but we now demand sources beyond his level to be considered probative. I believe that the reason LE has been so tight-lipped is because they know that the killer is following the case very closely. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? Delphi Murders /// Under the Bridge /// Part 1 /// 509 Part 1 of 3 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. Im fooling the cops, ha ha! is the thinking. You think Im stupid? You do a great job! How about never? Killer? Will be posted by Saturday, March 11th. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and weve even filled in a lot of the blanks. And a few hours ago, fake DP posted that exact same article. The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. DELPHI, Ind. Why would we do that? Thanks for your time. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. FSG knew everyone in town. Easy, they were lying! Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? Those aspects of the crime are the following: We feel that these facts are validated because in 1-3, they were seen by us in the crime scene photos and also by a female search party member at the scene, in 4, they were seen by two separate female search party members who had never talked to each other, and in 5, it was verified by a conversation with the girls guardian herself backed up by a postmortem photo. . Then they have the nerve to beg for witnesses to come forward with information. In fact just based on what I have going on, researching this case is the absolute last thing I should be doing, but its drawing me in, and I cant help it. Dolls were hanging from trees at the crime scene. Actually there are four suspects in this case and we are not naming any of them. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "abf47b18ef039f49c8ff02321419d1b6" );document.getElementById("b83dbe3da2").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. Sure hes a greedy businessman, but I doubt if hes that greedy. @ Skip, I estimate that 85% of what we said here in past years has been shown to be false over time. . We dont know why he asked permission to search Ron Logans land at 6:30 PM, but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search the land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team. LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume hes cleared. I believe Mr. X is the guy. Our best police source just told us that Ron Logan has been absolutely cleared as a suspect. For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. Of course she did. I also believe there are other factors at play here possibly being protected and I dont think LE wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason. Can not figure out what P stands for. The sigs are from the FBI and a court official. . Hi there, have just come across your work and am interested in joining the private group. Yes. This would explain how he could control two teens from running away as well as using a fake gun and badge. @Skip, . @Amber- I have been searching for the witnesses, DP. I noticed your nice comment on my YouTube page, thank you so much for your reply! The documents state that the wound to one of the girls was so brutal that the blood splatter would have been dramatic, drenching the killers clothes in blood. If one of the girls was pregnant, was the pregnancy a result of intercourse with Mr X? Highly functioning drunk; its the only way he can appear normal. On the photo of BG on the bridge, does anyone else see handcuffs instead of camera/knife bag? His brother looks very much like him (for example! Also to True Crime Garage. He doesnt want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media. We agree with that because we think they were sitting in his pocket the whole time! ), and has a strong connection to the girls. Tunnel visioning on one specific person and traveling to their town to try to prove something you can't prove is literally bannable in the Reddit global rules. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. There was posing. A post from the horrible r/LibbyandAbby slime hole on Reddit. I will say that Libbys birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! All the while suspect has a conflated alibi from the girls he was with not knowing what he did when he was alone without him. So, the girls were found on RLs property. This is at a time when he and his alibi place him out of town in a nearby city. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. There are 244 comments there. Feel free to post about any unsolved case you think is interesting, high profile preferred. Forget it. BG must have fired his gun at some point in this crime. Delphi Murders /// Under the Bridge /// Part 1 /// 509. He may well have had a deer blind on the Mears property. Hes been on my radar for a long time now. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! There are men going down on this all the time all over the US. She still hasnt been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. Good question Jess. This is not Mayberry but a potential Petri dish for psychopaths. Oct. 3, 2017 Indiana State Police visit Colorado to investigate, Nov. 11, 2017 Carroll County Prosecutor Rob Ives, Jan. 16, 2018 The owner of the property where the girls bodies were found, Jan. 17, 2018 The families of the girls give. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. Abby and Libby were murdered after going for a hike near an old bridge in February 2017. Make
@ Skip, They were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, Fox59 reported, which is part of the Delphi. He stopped for gas and cigarettes. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? Id be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened. We also do not know why out of all of the places to search, he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed. Instant person of interest. 12) Buried clothing of his stained with the girls blood on his property! However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? Via LE Source A, LE has a main suspect in the Delphi Murders, Mr. X, and the case is focused on him. Weve been proven correct on eight different things that only the police could have known. So I have no idea who Skip is but those are my thoughts on LE connection. The main suspects DNA is found in the forest around the crime scene. In all four instances, people arrived at their conclusions independently of the other party. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. The first sections deal with somewhat extraneous material that you may or may not find interesting. There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. Xs truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. Xs truck was never searched by police. Since the murders, Indiana Landmarks placed a temporary fence at the north end of the bridge and a sign warning against trespassing. I have joined the group on face book #Delphi Murders. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. It was dusty and disheveled. I dont care what anybodys age is. Its a farce! Then there is always the question of his occupation. Mr. X also cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food. I def would like some info, I find tons of conflicting Info about DP.so is he BG? FSG along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible lookouts for BG. The only crime on Mr. Xs record is an expunged conviction for statutory rape from 1984 in Indiana when he 18 and the girl was 14. Even if somehow she didnt know about some surrounding neighbors, couldnt LE just show her (or FSG or the bickering couple in the park etc,) a pic of Mr. X and get verification that way? I dont get it. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. Why is this current POI receiving more support for his privacy than any others mentioned in 4 years? Im from the UK too and once a crowd beat up a Paediatrician because they mistakenly thought it meant he was a paedophile. Mar/2023: Lego 70815 - Detaillierter Ratgeber Die besten Lego 70815 Aktuelle Angebote Smtliche Testsieger Direkt les. Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 1984. Must be a lot of people with that name. I hav followed both cases very closely. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? Knives. Theyve had video and audio of the guy from the beginning and its been too long without an arrest. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory. The dots connecting back to Iowa with the Tyson plant etc is great investigative work. However, it is still not clear that Mr. X did this on his own or if someone helped him. Believe it or not that is another QP. White scarf covering the lower half of his face. Did he sleep? It is interesting that Mr. X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 PM to on Monday, February 13, to 12:30 PM Tuesday, February 14 when the girls were found. Here are the main things that ALLEGEDLY (no proof guys, just what I received) stood out to me: 1) I got three names, of which, per your instruction, I will not provide here. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. If it was Abbys phone this would imply she had a phone, he somehow got her number, he connected to a cell tower to send media, and then he took the phone. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. Instead of bashing us, why dont you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? Theyre swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards cant figure this out. We think he likes to fool and troll LE. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. LE must know that BG recorded 43 seconds of audio, presumably of his crime. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9738939/Lori-Vallow-charged-conspiracy-commit-murder-death-fourth-husband-Arizona.html?fbclid=IwAR2haqAKhF0vqWzP2aKiNyDy14kIG7SCjPxtWVXndA3Dt49wvD5xXRByYT8. There are cases like this all over the country. Previous Delphi Murders True Crime Garage coverage includes the following Delphi Murders /// A New Suspect episodes 486 & 487 - Delphi Murders /// 4 Years Later episodes 468 & 469 - Delphi Murders Discussion episode 395 - Delphi Murders /// Off the Record episodes 321 & 322 - Delphi Murders Revisited episodes 320 & 321 - Delphi Murders episodes 110 & 111Beer of the Week - Back Tuesday Grand Reserve 2020 by The BrueryGarage Grade - 4 out of 5 Bottle CapsOur show - True Crime Garage Off the Record is available only on Stitcher Premium. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. Robert, have you heard that Mr X had a deer blind on the Mears property? Im confused. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. On the way back he sees and follows Libby/Abby across the bridge, coercing them down the hill and killing them around 2:20-2:40. Particularly this statement. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. Yes. ( WXIN) A 2017 search warrant in connection with the Delphi, Indiana killings of Abby Williams and Libby German has been shared with the public. That poor town has been though enough. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. TCG with Skip Jansen made a compelling argument as to why & how this person could be responsible. That piece of information being leaked and generally accepted by the public doesnt do a damn thing to preserve the integrity of the investigation.. Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. However, I do not believe it was sexually motivated, but believe theres potential for multiple motives. Some of this confusion is probably natural, since the the whole B family has gone underground. . We dont just look at the Delphi case here. Im getting, at the home!. I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. Thanks again and have a great day. John Kelly has some good information. I dont know if Mr. X is part of the groups promoting the trail system, but for some reason, I doubt it. I also believe 1) that all of the dolls found there were not put there after the crime but that this was an area that the perpetrator visited often to perform some kind of sadistic acts using the dolls, 2) that he was at that site when he perhaps saw and/or used binoculars to spot the girls on the bridge, 3)went to the bridge and then took the girls to his sadistic-acts place to perform those acts on live persons. A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. Also its very hot here and all I feel like doing is sleeping all the time. Case in point - he said last time that his suspect was currently in jail. Id rather not look into the NHI* (no humans involved) cases in the ghetto where one group of scumbags shoots up some other group of scumbags. Same spelling as well. The problem with this is that a searcher claims he searched the area where the girls were found the night of 2-13 and not only were the girls not there but none of the props were there either. Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. No one knows if he did this crime or not. He uses all kinds of weird aliases. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. Have you been in contact with her at all? The Delphi Murders - With Skip Jansen 3,712 views Streamed live on Mar 5, 2022 115 Dislike Share Save Kristin Behind The Crime Door 1.58K subscribers Join us as we discuss the case and KAK. So, DP could be deposed. There is a lot of controversy about that but it does appear that you can hear on the audio, Is that creepy guy still following us?. Theres just journalists. Have you guys/Skip discussed or explored the theory that DP is covering for someone else - hence the inconsistencies to his story. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use.All opinions in this video are mine and mine alone. Robert, I believe Mr. X has an ex-wife. But where is the incentive for me to comment publicly if you are just going to try and discredit it? This goes on all the time, however. We think they were working in a packing plant in the Delphi area and then were transferred to a sister plant in the Evansdale area. I am hoping this will possibly fit with somone elses knowledge and it will be helpful. The gun is a rare collectors item, possibly a .40mm. Hard to believe that there are two DPs and two QPs in such a small area. Within a ditch along a country road on her way home from school shortly after her murder. But who was his roomate in evansdale in the hotel they stayed in? We dont know who his roommate was in Delphi and then again in Evansdale, and we also dont know what sort of work they had both been moved over there for. He killed a woman. Logan identifying him also speaks volumes considering how close they were all Kirts life, But Ed Bounds makes a really terrific point about why Logan was allowed to get out of jail & do his time at homeBasically saying thats incredibly rare but for the reason even more rare (horses need a better attendee? His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. It was all over by 3:30. Then again, what if it wasnt? In particular, user/tobor is excellent. And he never meets anyone for any reason. This is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 PM on the day of the murders, a full hour before BG probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 PM, saw a man who looked like the Young BG sketch. Via LE Source A, we have learned that in both crimes: The following are unverified rumors with at least some probability of being true: Indiana LE did not validate the rumors about some aspects of the crime scene such as: This is probably one of the flat-out weirdest aspects of the case of all. These are real people stop meddling and just read. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. They recovered Libbys phone, so they wouldnt still be looking for the audio/video. 2-13; 2:13: The girls were abducted at precisely 2:13 PM. I saw this being explained in some YT comments to a bunch of brainlets. And bringing in some random Redditor as your source? Thats not very many. Got it? 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