Nobody sits there and thinks Okay, how can I let them know that I really need to hear back from them on this? They just type Please advise. This is what language is all about, really. Like better But Americans are more likely to use the phrase "likebetter" when talking. Fastest Times Our team of editors is working for you 24/7. I work with people in India a lot and they do say Please do the needful which is quirky English but not offensive or particularly grating to me. So I would just go ahead and blame Outlook every time you see that. She could have wrote let me know if you have any questions and I wouldnt have been offended at all. Has Bob accepted yet? (Yes or no) Have you booked that hotel? (Yes or no) How do I save a word file (have you never used a computer before?). I really think it depends on company culture. I guess Im being somewhat oversensitive because Ive had several employees in the past who drove me CRAZY with constantly dumping issues in my lap and never trying to bring solutions. Some appreciate it so they dont have to take 30 minutes to craft a reply to me. I use it most with people that are either above me or that I dont really know so Im erring on the side of reverential language. Please advise, like a lot of things, is one of those generic polite statements that can become really snarky depending on the context and the person using it. They have bolded passages, underlined passages, bolded AND underlined passages, and lines in all caps. They use gentle reminder a lot which drives me batty. Would people be shocked? Want to improve your English business writing? 3. ", Quick and smart, plus is "human-based"! Some of this is probably just cultural (meaning office culture, not overall culture). I wish I could find out about Textranch earlier. My HTML brain cells went out for a moment. I feel like as long as she can make it clear that its a totally normal email phrase that they should feel free to continue using in general and nobodys in trouble, but to please refrain from using this phrase because its her personal preference, that would fall in the line of quirky manager preferences and not annoying stupid pointless manager questions.. The other thing I see it used for in my office is as a handoff when the question or problem thats being asked is my jurisdiction, but someone else is acting as a go-between in my case this is usually a question from a student thats being forwarded to me by their advisor, or something like that. I work with someone who uses thoughts? a lot. Then again, I fire up the imaginary laser vision whenever people use In Regards to instead of In regard to or even better regarding. So I guess everyone has pet peeves. Thats almost threatening. Also, just the sheer volume of email I got made it necessary to adopt some kind of triage system, and people who plainly asked for what they wanted from me always got priority. 1. Bobby: Jane and I spoke, and we had a question about X. FYI, I copied Sue into the conversation as shes working on Y so I wanted to keep her looped in. She simply could not comprehend that we had a procedure in place Im guessing because she did not put it in place herself. If you say -- How would you like to proceed -- then that is a question you should say -- How you would like to proceed. -All commissions are posted to my socials and my portfolio - if you would prefer it not to be, you must mention this before I submit the artwork to you. Are these people abusing the cc feature? In business use the phrase becomes an additional command. ), Much more annoying are cold callers from my bank or the internet supplier who finish up with Can I help you with anything else today? Grr. This whole discussion is fascinating to me, because at my current job please advise is used a lot. oh, thats a good clarifying point. (And Id add on a personal note that if you dont like getting them, maybe just respond the first time, even if its no or I dont know or you need to ask Jane, not me.). To my boss, about another group entirely, and Im sure she knows me well enough to know what I meant. My bosss boss would end certain emails to me with that phrase. Im still waiting for the Veeblefetzer Report, Please send it to me ASAP.. I would use Please advise where I need a definite answer. Prefer please let me know your preference please advise which one you prefer 20%OFF ,,,, I didnt expect so many people in the comments to agree with the OP but here we are. Ill use Please advise when forwarding a question from one party to another when I dont know what question needs to be asked. In order to post your question we need your email to notify you when the response will be available. I wanted her to speak to the newbie staff members and ask them not to park in that spot. I agree, and especially if its used after a question. Its the reminders that I *still* cant seem to figure out and loathe doing. I had a coworker that used to ignore my emails about half the time so one day I asked her why. I feel like its very similar to replying to an email and saying Message received or acknowledged. Yes, technically those are fine, but in the places Ive worked, it would be a very odd tone to take. Certain phrases set me off too. + Read the full interview, I love that TextRanch editors are real people who revise the text and provide feedback it makes it so personal. I hear it said sincerely much more often, but the passive-aggressive use is out there. The third is forward yet subduednot a bad option, honestly. ", I love being able to see the tracking of the changes! It was perfect for the scenario because if someone shows you a proof and you dont follow it, you often dont have a question so much as you have a wuhhh? I always wondered if it was an expression I wasnt familiar with or what. I do it a lot too. You have travel plans, either work or non-work related You have a doctor's (or vet, or some other) appointment You have a religious commitment You're attending a conference or industry event You want to attend your child's school event, recital, or game You're dealing with a family matter You're dealing with a health matter I mean, intellectually, I agree with everyone whos said youre overthinking this. But I cant STOP overthinking it and want to know why Im overthinking it to begin with. Thanks, I think the phrase Please advise means Define my problem, then solve it for me. As such, I think its a pretty irritating/lazy way to ask for help. (I am so immature. The rest of my team backed away slowly when the work landed on my lap.). I had other people read them and they never got angry from my emails, they said my emails read as clear and matter of fact. I once had a relatively high ranking political official email me and ask me why I was trying to ruin his career. Please advise. I use Please advise (and have taken it from others in the same grain in which I use it) more along the lines of I am not moving forward with any of this until you have your input on the matter. Maybe Ive been annoying folks all along without even knowing it. Would you have done something different? Privacy Policy and Affiliate Disclosures. Half the kids in the class were keeping track of how many times she said it. I had to Google it the first time someone said it to me, because I wasnt sure if it was supposed to be vaguely insulting or extremely polite. It looks smart to they forward the email and pass the phrase down Jacobs Ladder. What date/time is most suitable/convenient for you? Hell routinely ask me to send external invites for him, then 5 minutes later follow up with something like Has Bob accepted yet? This is interesting. But otherwise, I typically use something that apparently many other people find really irritating: Thoughts?. Im more likely to say, Please let me know your thoughts.. It does sound stilted, but not bratty and redundant to me. You know, I think everyones got their pet peeves with email. Please let me know. Oh, of course. ", Thank you so much! In the same way: What do you like? I guess I always thought of it as similar to Thanks for reading this e-mail or something. Same thing happened at my work placethousands of employees all responding with reply all. Id never say to another person, Please advise., I tend to write like I talk, and I really, really try to avoid any written phrases that dont scan like normal speech. Please click the link that we've sent to this address to post your question to our experts.Ok, I'll check my email. Could you please advise? I feel that, if I leave this last sentence out, my email will sound bratty without it with an underlying message of, Theres a problem with your request, DO SOMETHING. In the nicest possible way, this made me smile because like is pretty common in the UK as well though mostly with younger people. I have found that simply putting are you able to help me resolve this? I generally think thats a fair assessment by the writer, so maybe thats why it rarely annoys me. Sexy way of putting it! Meeting subject: International Teapot Commerce. Well, often the reminder (friendly, gentle, otherwise) is for something totally annoying and bureaucratic, which no one wants to deal with, which is why they didnt respond in the first place. I dont think Ive ever written please advise or received an email that ended this way, so it surprised me that so many people have such strong opinions on it. I sign my emails with Regards all the time. 0. It totally fell out of favor in the UK (and never did come over to the US or Canada), but because of timing, it remained a popular phrase in Indian English. Drugs are bad. Whats the verdict? For awhile, I used Ten-four! with another manager as kind of a joke to let her know I got a message, but it doesnt really work with everyone. That said, I would never use please advise without more to the sentence. And from people who should have known better than to reply all! Im going to ask Alison!. (examples of why/how this will happen). When Im sending one email to three or four people, I try to clarify who is copied on the email and why (and if its an FYI and no action is needed from that person, I say that), and if I have questions for separate people, I put them on to: field and in the body of the email state the questions like so: Jane: Whats the status regarding this meeting? (c): . is not business-like as you said. At other jobs you wouldve gotten some serious side-eye for that phrase. Yeah, I use it when I cant think of one single question Im asking, but rather Im looking for someones take on how to handle a situation. Please let us know if gets his speech back. Any help would be . As a non-native speaker, I always have second thoughts about my expressions. 3. my new hire is too attractive for me to manage her, my coworker has celebrity friends, asking to come back to an interview question, and more, Ive been grumpy at work, warning my predecessor about her reference, and more, http://thebillfold.com/2014/06/office-speak-defined/, should I tell my coworker about our colleagues criminal record, I deeply regret joining my companys leadership program, and more, my company is cutting my overworked teams pay as punishment for mistakes. She would ask why I hadnt responded or done X yet, and I would say that I didnt know that I needed to. Then is it natural to say "Let me know when best suits you?" See a translation 1 like oldgeezer 17 Jul 2017 ", Human understanding of the context. And then ask me the question. Thats how I use it too. Especially if Im just showing up to help a busy desk (I work at a public library), it seems a lot more annoying to just plonk down behind the station and stare expectantly at the line until someone comes over to me. The original model was created digitally in Nomad Sculpt . LOL I read it as some character from a Disney movie about to break into song. Neutral phrases "Yes, Thursday is fine." (also with friends and colleagues) "Thursday suits me." "Thursday would be perfect." Informal phrases Yes, Thursday's great for me. This gives me more confidence that the context will be correct, which is hard to trust with auto-correction apps", A real person editor is much2 better than a software editor. I dont like How should I handle? either, but I cant quite put my finger on why. Thanks! Write Your Letter Step-by-Step 1 Express your gratitude for the customer's business. Far better then the AI tools", This website is fantastic. Its not passive aggressive. Not much different than clothing. 2. Thats right up there with customer service people who say Can I help whos next in line? Fingernails on the chalkboard, that phrase. Every time I get an email that ends with please advise I want to send one back that says I advise you to stop ending your emails with please advise! That is the most annoying phrase ever! He sends documents to me to get rid of a blank page (when all it takes is a single backspace to get rid of it) and when he got a macbook I was constantly with him at 30 minutes at a time trying to teach him how to right click or minimize a window, how to locate a file he has saved, etc. tag.parentNode.insertBefore(s, tag); Yeah, its more please give your overall thoughts or opinions on this matter versus a specific question. Please advise. The servers youve asked me to scan dont exist. But in Namibian English, dear has come to be spelled dia. I spent a lot of time wondering who Dia was and why people were always thinking that was my first name, I just got really excited that someone else commenting here has lived in Namibia. Time. I use it fairly frequently, usually in a context like this: We have a situation with the chocolate teapots. I learned of the phrase after listening to some fiction audiobooks set in India. I think the point is that theyre giving you a heads up that they want to talk on the phone and doing you the courtesy of letting you wrap up whatever youre doing before calling them. If the e-mail is sent out to a distribution list (scenario Im envisioning) its hard to think of any circumstance where it would be appropriate to reply all. I have the same issue with the response No worries but due to a personal relationship, not a work one. One of their common email closings was, Please advise of the needful. Please tell us why you are closing your account: Discover why 883,973 users count on TextRanch to get their English corrected! It only happens rarely, but every once in a while Im asked to email someone about something and I really have no idea what Im doing/what the end goal is, so I put please advise. 1) Using the royal we when clearly asking for a specific person in the group to help. So you took the time so send an email to tell me to call you and thats easier than just picking up the phone and calling me yourself? I only use this phrase when I am generally asking for advice, not in a snarky way. Though now that I work in a more casual situation, I just say Please let me know, and sometimes I even omit the Please. 0. Most of the time its more junior staff and they dont realize the annoying-ness. I suspect that it just didnt translate well in to English. I dont use that often, but when I do its because people occasionally read past the question parts of emails or respond to 1 out of the 2 things I need them to answer. But that is definitely a personal preference issue. I use something similar. My grandmother (who was born in 1912 in Oklahoma) once said at a family buffet dinner, My lands, shouldnt we serve the menfolk first? because people were lining up to fill their plates. Doesnt everyone? I use that one when I have a long list of requests for someone. Is the writer at a higher level than you in the company? That way, I hope, people know why theyre on the email and if they need to respond back. The worst manager I ever had was constantly misinterpreting my text and she kept claiming that I was sending angry emails. Please advise. Or How do I save a word file? w.addEventListener("load", loader, false); Huh. She did not last very long in that job anyway. I was already going to do the needful. if its not a foregone conclusion, then no i wouldnt thank them in advance, because that wouldnt make sense. Do they already have cause the be upset with you? I hate please advise. Trite business-speak. I tend to agree, yet, I can have a hard time applying this idea sometimes. For me, Id rather people just ask me the question (assuming Im not on the phone in mid-sentence) rather than ask me if I have time or if Im busy. Comment: Or we haven't found it but, so let us know when you discover it first. Are you available/free on Friday, let's say** 9 a.m.? Example: Just checking in to see if theres anything else you need from me so you can complete the [thing you havent sent back to me].. Im not religious and Im certainly not a Scientologist but the one thing they got right is that they insist that people know what a word means. Also, Im hungry and mostly thinking about lunch. My peeve is no subject line Our HR generalist pretty much NEVER uses one in her all-employee emails, and often her emails are just a pdf with no explanation of their content (usually a flyer of some event) so I have to download it to see if its anything at all relevant to me. One day I went in to talk to her about a security issue. There was pretty much no correct response you could give. Thats what I use it for too! Ive been using it to mean HALP, but it seems that in other places its more like Do the thing already! ooooo! Well, except when someone isnt responding. But they're both correct, they're both natural, and they're both used commonly. So once a week Im sending something, since shes not always in the office, but I never know when that will be. persons IM: Can you talk? Friday, 1/28: 10am - 12pm EST; 2pm - 4pm EST. Its lazy. So I dont always like assuming there are a limited number of solutions. It reads to me like, I expect you do to this. By continuing to use this website, you agree to our Terms of Service. if you so wish. I can see why youd do that for some people, especially when youve already said something multiple times! No. If you dont have the friendliest relationship with that person, their please advise can sound snippy. Even when I would appreciate the complete info I am asking for much more than just any information. We wouldnt say Please advise out loud, because we know how it sounds. I use it a lot when trying to settle an issue between two separate departments or interested parties. He told me it was standard while he was in the military. or Please let us know your thoughts on this.? I also like Would love your input for similar situations. When I worked in customer-facing roles in retail and food service, I much preferred looking the next person in line in the eye and saying something like, Step on up. So efficient. Heeeeelllllloooooooo? I advise that the order is held and you request an investigation. Payment will be expected in 48hours, if you wish to cancel your purchase, please let me know in this timeframe. Why do we write it in emails? Quick and gentle fall into the same category for me, with gentle being more annoying but quick also being annoying. And I definitely wouldnt instruct others not to do it, since its really just a personal preference on your part, not a rule thatthey should be following in general. That would make me investigate accordingly and resolve as applicable and reply with details of any action taken. On the other hand, if you want a laugh (and you don't mind a bit of obscene language), read ScaryDuck's post: A bit of email etiquette. Now his bosses, they hated it. The result is now that my partner and I needful each other all the time. Thats probably my own bias, though. I love Please advise and use it without a second thought where appropriate. When I have a good relationship with someone and see please advise, I think nothing of it. And of course I understand and noted in my OP that other English speaking nations use slang that is different from ours and sounds perfectly normal to them just as ours sounds annoying. In American English, "prefer" is a little more formal but still common enough to use in everyday speech. It openly pisses people off. I sometimes wish I could use 10-4 in emails (to mean recieved and understood). } else { This got to a point where I decided no more emails Id try to talk to her in person when I had an issue. When a new checkout opens up, if they say the first one, theres practically a riot to see who gets there first. In Taiwan, the one that was odd to me was addressing people as dears whether in the email salutation or in person. please give me your knowledge so I can stop feeling stupid. . The only person Ive known to use this constantly is one of my least favorite people. I have ever heard Americans use the baby talk it is just 5 sleeps until we arrive at Disney World but I suppose they will pick it up since it is used so often by British travelers on line. Do they tend to throw you under the bus? Heavy metals may block chemical reactions. Maybe its location based but where I am at, people find my emails abrupt so I have to add the gentler language. Like We had someone call from a company trying to sell us a bridge, so I took their name and number and told them someone from the bridge purchasing department would call them back. The same thing happened at my old job as well! Although I usually prefer let me know what you think since I know please advice grates on some people. I think thats exactly it. I dont think Ive heard anyone actually say Please advise outside of radio dispatch conversations. I disagree. We KNOW that some cultures crowd up and breath down your neck; we KNOW in our heads that it is a cultural difference this does not prevent the visceral reaction to being crowded that people who require more personal space feel. + Read the full interview, I love TextRanch because of the reliable feedback. Honestly, please advise drives me crazy too, but I 100% admit its because of who I associate with it. Thats true, now that I think of it. I admit its hard sometimes giving people the benefit of the doubt especially if they are bratty in person! Author: Douglas Ive received what are your thoughts? / please advise / do you have input/feedback? and all of them seemed appropriate to the situation. Please let me know vs Please tell me. Sure, but it presumes that theyll agree to your request. Can you please at least acknowledge that you are holding up a thing that the CEO asked for and we are STILL waiting on you?? Ive been working in an administrative role for the past two years and have found your blog very helpful. Because it's a special occasions. Ive never heard sleeps in the US. Make sense? Doesnt bother me much after that. the people who are secretly working multiple full-time jobs from home, future manager is a bigoted jerk, boss hasnt paid me back, and more, weekend open thread February 18-19, 2023. Answer (1 of 20): "Let me know where you're at" "Keep me apprised" "Keep me in the loop" "Keep me informed" "Keep me updated" "Advise me when" "Tell me when something changes" To name a few I alwaya say friendly reminder. If necessary it becomes friendly but urgent! To me, its off puttingly brusque to say, reminder, I need this by friday, or your veeblefitz report is late, I need it asap. But then, Im from the Say-outh, where we use lots of words to hide displeasure. Seems polite, like thanks for reading(? let me know if you didn't or let me know if you don't? YES!!! 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