Honestly, we aren't even surprised because Doctor Strange has and always will be an absolute mastermind. But a key moment in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 might as well have been written as a rebuttal to Strange's inaction in the film. It's this method that a classic Avengers villain uses in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 - and though he has no need fortheTime Stone itself, Doctor Strange can certainly emulate his technique, however heinous it may be. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of them showing the Avengers victorious. While there may have been other means, the cost to the heroes (and the world as a whole) would have been too great for the Avengers to take. In his spare time, Ben is usually watching movies, playing games and running D&D games for friends (and hopes to one day actually be a player). It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. On-screen stone feats only. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. There are practically infinite possibilities and who's to say that there aren't more but he just didn't look past that first one. Given that number, it's likely he saw many large events that go beyond just the Snap. @doomstoaa: I'll ask again confirmed where? Just two years later, Doctor Strange found himself fighting another near unstoppable force who threatened mass destruction: Thanos. While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. Tony Stark must do enough damage to Thanos to make him bleed and demonstrate to him that he can be defeated. Marvel confirms Doctor Strange could have easily stopped Thanos by using a horrific time-manipulation technique. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone and saw the one (and only) path to victory over Thanos. Is this the one?" They added that after Thanos achieves his goal and initiates the Snap, he destroys the Infinity Stones because no other being strong enough could wield the stones. Strange has power over time and has used this offensively many times before, it would seem strange to me if he was only examining paths from the present one. Thanos and the Avengers' interests align in Avengers: Mech Strike #4by Jed Mackay and Carlos Magno. Although Avengers: Infinity War debuted in theaters nearly four years ago, MCU fanatics can't help but debate over one pivotal scene involving everyone's favorite Sorcerer, Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). 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It's true that Doctor Strange looked into more than 14,000,605 different futures "to see all possibly outcomes of the coming conflict" but evidently there were still some futures he did not see. Not a victory. Why Didn't Doctor Strange Trap Thanos In A Time Loop? A victory for Strange is probabaly something akin to: Defeating Thanos, while also having a way to save countless others, while also not opening the door to allow other powerful beings to come in and get the stones. Yeah but that's when thanos was conscious, I'm saying if they tried this instead of pulling his gauntlet off when he was incapacitated, This all takes place after he sees the only way to win, so you have to assume that he did all the ideas posted here so far and none of them worked. I feel like together, they would have prevented Thanos from obtaining the Time and Mind stone leaving Thor with the ability to cut off his head. Web#Thanos #DoctorStrange #InfinityWar"We're in the Endgame now." You'll catch on eventually you practically answered why Strange could use that in the dark dimension and not on earth for example. Stopping someone like Thanos would always take sacrifice, and the ultimate cost of Endgame at least wasn't an entire reality. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. can any of the stones help Thanos in gaining victory if Doctor Strange has already foreseen every possible moves he could make? WebWhile on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. Dormammu was ignorant of the stones and how they worked and how to use them. With the heroes of the MCU seemingly less conditioned to the bizarre limits of the multiverse, they may not have been able to counter before it destroyed their universe in the process. With that in mind, Strange was counting on Thanos using the fully-powered Gauntlet to render it useless following the snap before posthumously enacting his master plan to somehow undo its effects. Marvel/DC. It is a really dark question that I havent seen anyone really talk about. I'm under the impression that four stones should be more powerful than just one. The person needs to consciously think and act to get them to do the things you want. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone ( no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. This also came before Baron Mordo was a part of the team, which was also most likely because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, with Doctor Strange involved instead. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. Every other outcome on Titan is merely delaying eventual defeat since it is inevitable someone much worse than Thanos will one day wield one or more of the stones," the Redditor concluded. I like the comparison when Thanos changed the piece of scrap metal that got dropped on him into some type of large dark bats and when Doctor Strange did something similar to him he was expecting something worse and got butterflies. By sacrificing Gamora and thus earning a contract with the stone, it would ensure he was not killed or incapacitated in such a way that he would fail his mission to obtain all six Infinity Stones. Personally, I can't help but ponder that even with four stones on the gauntlet (power, space, reality and soul), Thanos would still have a difficult time (if not downright impossible) beating a time stone Doctor Strange, especially if he has prepped and time loop activitated --. Would have made for a less compelling story though i guess. Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. During Infinity War, in the battle of Titan, Doctor Strange was denied the opportunity of using his time stone against Thanos due to the (IMO) ingenuine-albeit-cop-out limitation of "one victory out of 14,000,605 possibilities" imposed by the scripted writer/directors. new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. Dr. Would have made for a It's logical to assume, however horrifying the implications, that Strange can use the Time Stone to force people to undergo this effect as well. He currently lives in the United States and writes about Marvel, DC, Star Wars and other properties. New Movie News, Movie Trailers & upcoming Movie Reviews, Avengers 4 Theory Explains Why Doctor Strange Gave Thanos the Time Stone, Thanos Action Figure May Reveal His Updated Avengers: Endgame Armor, Avengers: Endgame LEGO Set Reveals a Massive Upgrade for War Machine, Avengers: Endgame - Once Again, It All Comes Down to Ant-Man, Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor, 10 Worst Written Female Characters In An Action Movie, Revenge of the Sith Almost Had a Very Different 'I Am Your Father' Reveal. In Eternals, the Celestial Arishem reveals that he seeded another Celestial within the Earth's core and that it will emerge when they gain "vast amounts of energy from intelligent life." There were TONS of ways to beat Thanos, BUT there was only one way to stop the stones which are ALL now in close proximity from being used by others. The Avengers' battle with Thanos for the fate of the Infinity Stones was a brutal one that almost resulted in the destruction of all life in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. >Dr. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The power and space stones can kill or bfr Strange but can't undo time loop (evidented by the Domarmu battle), the soul stone is featless (as far as I can remember). Fans constantly theorize about Doctor Strange's sacrifice, with many claiming he gives up the Time Stone because the only way the Avengers can defeat Thanos is after he collects all of the Infinity Stones and erases half of the universe. While Strangemay not have intervenedbecause he foresaw Thanos eventually using the Gauntlet either way, the fan theory suggests that he actually wanted the Snap to occur. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? KEEP READING: Eternals' Best Twist Was Making Its Superman the Secret Villain. 14 million is closer to zero than it is to infinity. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Strange wins. The Sorcerer Supreme infamously never usedthe powers of the Time Stone in the fight against Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, and though he and his fellow Avengers eventually won the day, he paid dearly for his hesitation. Screen Rant's Managing Editor, Alex Leadbeater has been covering film online since 2012 and been a permanent fixture of SR since 2016. The Mad Titan wishes to destroy Kang the Conquerer, and the Avengers want to undo the damage he's caused to the patchwork-of-time-periods Earth. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. I also wonder why Doctor Strange didn't just use the time stone to defeat Thanos. It also could be that Strange was only able to access successful futures feasible in his universe. Does he view the world from a different perspective? Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. So, if the non-time stones are independent of time, then they could theoretically be able to act outside of normal time and perhaps their combined power lacking time could give their user their independence from time. Of course, that's not to saymessing with time won't play a part in that More:Time Travel In The MCU & Avengers: Endgame Explained. The examples can be seen of him going against Dormammu and Thanos. Thats the way he got Peter to pop out of different portals while fighting Thanos as well as Mantis dropping down on his head. Why didn't he repeat the trick on Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War? His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is now playing in theaters worldwide. Strange was after destroying the stones. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. They were separated and had no real plan until it was too late. So it appearsthat Doctor Strange wanted the Snap to occur, although some fans have taken the theory even further. Indeed, Dormammu was from the Dark Dimension, an alternate world that is removed from any conventional understanding of time. If this is the case,many are left wondering why Strange didn't intervene. This would ultimately lead to Earth-616's Avengers embarking on atime heist, restoring all life throughout the universe, and reducing Thanos' army with the snap of Iron Man's nano gauntlet inAvengers: Endgame. Stones are destroyed. Thanos had to win. But, weren't they only able to break out of it because they were prepared, and knew it was coming, able to then use dark magic before Strange cast the spell? Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals that another group of heroes from across the multiverse defeated their world's Thanos without resorting to the over-arching plans of Infinity War. None of the other allies can die. That attempt failed. Perhaps there's a way to break Thanos' contract with the Stone. If the Avengers haddefeated Thanos on Titan, then the events in Eternalsmight've played out very differently. There may be only one way to do that. Warning - the rest of this article contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. Marvel admits Doctor Strange had another way to take care of Thanos through time manipulationbut Thanos would suffer a horrific fate. He's covered a wide range of movies and TV shows - from digging out obscure MCU Easter eggs to diving deep into deeper meanings of arthouse fare - and has covered a litany of set visits, junkets and film festivals. When Strange was looking into the future, did he see the 5 year gap or was it like a blank void to him, and then being re-awakened again when the Hulk snaps everyone back? People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Does Thor aim for the head? If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. I think that if the Time stone worked in that dimension, the gaunlet would work just fine, I mean the gaunlet is powered by the stones. That is why the story of Jesus Christ resonates so strongly with people because they believe he sacrificed himself to save everyone. However the real reason they lost is also the main moral question of the story. Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. The team utilized the Book of Vishanti to come out of this battle on top as Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. Almost all of the heros have made major self sacrifices in order to save others in the past. Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? A subreddit dedicated to the Marvel Cinematic Universe! Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. He knew that there was no possible way to win on Titan but that several things needed to happen and if they did not happen exactly according to his vision victory would be statistically impossible. 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