Thank you for doing the interview. No more? But through the process of making the record and all the things that go with that, the hours and the tedium, it got easier for us to have conversations, not because we were doing the work of addressing the problems, but because we found common ground on something again, which has always been music and words.. He still cant seem to notice when the dishwashers unloaded and all the dishes are put away. All rights reserved (About Us). GROSS: One of the things I love about his music is the way he combined the spiritual and the profane in his songs and the spiritual and, like, anger and resentment and despair. She co-founded the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. I dont understand why its such a big issue, as big of an issue as it is. What made you think of yourself as his disciple? I hope you get well soon. Isbell responded, Thank you Aimee. On Shires' latest record, her songwriting is more fearless and vulnerable than ever but as always, it's a reflection of an artist focused intently on community, equality Did you actually meet him? I am Terry Gross. And I said, OK. And then I fell in love. I dont have certain kinds of fatigue. If you want a boxer, Ill step in the ring for you. When I would write the songs, I dont know whats going to come out, but sometimes I was just so down that the only way I could get better was to take it out on writing a song., Shires sings and plays fiddle throughout this interview. Not standing up for folks is not helping and its not right. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. In an interview on MSNBC Monday, Isbell stated the response he has received from people who work at the venues and in the music business has been positive because they understand we could go back to not working at all, adding that smaller venues might not be able to reopen if they go through another round of shutdowns. So I started just taking notes on the radio because I heard it. And from there, he introduced me to Frankie McWhorter. We found all this out afterwards. I heard in 22 songs, one womans voice I heard. And thats when the fertilized egg stays in the fallopian tube. SHIRES: It was because Tommy Allsup was living in Snyder, Texas, at that time, and he was running the Bob Wills band. The 200 Greatest Singers of All Time And so you know Ill say, I dont know, but no ones going to be asking me. I would have died had this procedure not been available to me. In "Leave It Alone," a song introduced by a brittle, programmed loop and a jangly, arpeggiated guitar figure, she elegantly describes exploring a new lover's body: "Hands find the places where they've never been, to know for themselves new surfaces / And mine, they've got a mind of their own / I can't leave it alone." Shires, an incisive songwriter and solo artist and occasional member of husband Jason Isbells 400 Unit band, has been vocal about protecting a womans right to choose in the past. And the character you wrote yourself out to be, the flagship all part of my fooling. But through the process of making the record and, you know, all the things that go with that, the hours and the tedium, it got easier for us to have conversations, not because we were doing the work of addressing the problems but because we were found common ground on something again, which has always been music and words. Me and @JasonIsbell RCA studio B making a musical recording. So to give listeners a sense of Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys, listeners who dont know who they are, this is a classic 1940 recording of New San Antonio Rose., (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, NEW SAN ANTONIO ROSE), BOB WILLS AND HIS TEXAS PLAYBOYS: (Singing) Deep within my heart lies a melody, a song of old San Antone (ph) San Antone where in dreams I live with a memory beneath the stars, all alone. She has performed as a member of the Texas Playboys, Thrift Store Cowboys, and Jason Isbell & the 400 Unit, as well as in a duo with Rod Picott. Ninety-five percent of study participants who did have an abortion still stood by their decision. Refunds at point of purchase but were working on rescheduling. SHIRES: I didnt know anything about them. And Tommy said, if you can hold down that lower third harmony and Id love to, you know, have that spot filled. Shires character wrestles with the decision and the right thing to do in her situation, while Isbells character offers his support for whatever decision she makes. You can call me serious trouble. SHIRES: (Singing) Im well aware of what the nights made of. ISBELL: (Singing) Im on your side. It just seemed like the right thing to do because I dont want to spend my time on stage worried about if Im making people sick.. So when I would write the songs, I dont know whats going to come out, but sometimes, it was so I was just so down that the only way I could get better was to take it out on writing a song. When it reopened, he was in the first 200. Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires perform at Ryman Auditorium in Nashville. And hes saying, you know, basically that hes going to support her and hes there for her. With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, I hope youll join us. (Singing) Time was all Id want. And it was a Carrie Underwood song from it was, like, six years before that or something. They arent helping. And I hadnt heard the fiddle being played at all. The bastards hung me at the Salem gallows hill. SHIRES: But some of the words are funny. Having recently moved to Nashville with Shires whose own fourth solo album, Down Fell the Doves, comes out next week the newlyweds will sequester themselves in different corners of the house to write new songs, then play them for each other. Shires new album, Take It Like A Man, includes several songs she wrote that came out of a difficult period in her marriage to Jason Isbell. And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. I know the cost of flight is landing. People forget, Shires says. GROSS: OK. So Im going to ask you to play one more song from your new album, to perform it for us. Isbell said everyone attending the bands shows would also be required to wear a mask. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. If writing came easier sober, playing live was terrifying at first, he says. They do tell you that going out and helping other people really helps you a lot. I said, itd be cool if I was The Highwomen or maybe had a band The Highwomen. JASON ISBELL: (Singing) What do you want to do? Theyve ended shows with Neil Youngs Like a Hurricane or Van Morrisons Into the Mystic. Tonight its the Rolling Stones Cant You Hear Me Knocking, and its ecstatic. And he said, try playing this one. They all feel good, he says of making records, and they all feel really bad when youre working, simultaneously.. I heard witchcraft in the whispers and I knew my time had come. Along Im not joking. And as it happened, eventually the auxiliary cable quit working in the van. It took Dave Cobb and it took Brandi and then it took Natalie [Hemby] and Maren Morris. SHIRES: In 2016, I was going on the road. GROSS: Lawrence Rothman produced your new album. Lets get back to the interview I recorded last week with singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires. I know I can take it like a man. SHIRES: I mean, I think theyre pretty good. And youve called on country music stars to speak out, too. Demographer Diana Greene Foster conducted a 10-year study tracking both people who had abortions and people who were denied abortions. I was lucky. Why didnt more people show up and speak up? Like, I know that in all of the searching that he did still believe that there was something bigger out there, so I dont have to go trying to learn all these other things. Trending Its not more threatening than the idea of taking away the services and the work that doctors and nurses do. GROSS: Thats Empty Cups from Amanda Shires new album, Take It Like A Man. Thats such a great song, Amanda. And I save them all. It was Fault Lines.. People forget that, if you take away access to reproductive healthcare, youre going to be killing moms like me. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. But and after you did the main melody part, you get to improvise. Probably nobody enjoys it as much as I do, but its not a necessity for survival. Where are our Nashville folks? And the fallopian tube just cant it it cant expand enough to accommodate a growing fetus. There were probably 2,500 people, and Im just standing there with a guitar, elevated and facing everyone. Jason Isbell performs in Gulf Shores, Alabama. GROSS: Lets take another break here. This is FRESH AIR. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). And then, really, while the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made The Highwomen be a thing. Her new album is called Take It Like A Man.. And I got awarded a scholarship to be able to go to those. Like, do you say, hey, honey, heres a song I wrote about how bad things are between us right now? And I said, yeah, I feel like theres not a lot happening there emotionally for me. And I kept imagining, like, how I had nothing left to give and nothing I could do or say to make anything feel right, like, within me somehow. I recorded my interview with her last week. Copyright 2023 Penske Business Media, LLC. Which brings up the question, why were Jason and I, and Margo Price, the biggest celebrities quasi-celebrities at the march in Nashville? Where the fuck are the rest of them? GROSS: And me of you, so thank you. 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He calls his superb backing band the 400 Unit, after the psychiatric ward of a hospital near Muscle Shoals, the part of the state where he grew up. I mean, only just now nine months later, interestingly enough have I returned to having normal periods. Im your man. In 2019, she founded a country music supergroup called The Highwomen alongside Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. Here was my life five years ago, and heres my life now. Youve been very outspoken about the right to have an abortion. SHIRES: I dont know that well, I dont know that I was going to leave or that Jason was going to leave. I remember I used to think the force was strong with him, says Tompkins, who signed his first publishing deal when he moved to Nashville at 22. And my hands are two empty cups. Thats the percentage of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 who have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the CDC. GROSS: You know, youve said that a lot of the songs on this album come from a troubled period of your marriage to songwriter and singer Jason Isbell, who you perform with and who plays on this album. We both know that none of that was keeping, keeping me anyhow. Shes also one of the founders of the group the Highwomen. But a lot of times when youre growing up and taught what how to be successful and how to be to survive in the world as a woman with a career and all this stuff and probably young many young kids are taught this. Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, well talk about the power, promise and potential harm of YouTube. Its yet another thing that, when policing does happen, is going to happen haphazardly and ruin lives. FRESH AIRs executive producer is Danny Miller. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. My best hope is that people continue to get angrier and that the folks who have been fighting so hard for so long, and are already tired, find some strength to keep fighting and also to mobilize others, especially youth, along the way. GROSS: What would the right voice for you like, whats wrong what doesnt match? Amanda Shires is a singing, songwriting. My focus stays strong I can work on a song for six or seven hours in one day, and not get bored or tired of it.. After trailing off there, she draws a thorny conclusion about the web of intimate, familial dependency: "Maybe being human is an orphaned condition and what's missing isn't what should be found. The Grammy-winning singer, songwriter and guitarist from Green Hill, Ala., made headlines in 2021 for requiring proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative COVID test to attend his concerts. GROSS: Were you nervous about being on stage or just about singing? SHIRES: Sure. But they took me seriously, but they also knew the seriousness and the impact of the help that they were giving me. Well, why dont you sing some of it for us? GROSS: With the Texas Playboys when youre performing with them or something that you learned from one of your teachers but that really made you fall in love with the style and that epitomizes what that style is. Why was that the verse that you wrote or sang for yourself? NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) Three months after an emergency heart transplant, Grammy-nominated keyboardist, producer, songwriter and artist Peter Levin Which would I rather have? Shires told her producer Dave Cobb, who also served as bassist in the album's indie rock-leaning band (with Isbell on lead guitar), "My violin needs to sound like it's in an aquarium, but more bright. I hope that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it causes such a fucking uproar that we end up with more rights than we had before. And I said, thats all you have to say? GROSS: So that was Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys from 1940, their song, New San Antonio Rose, with Leon McAuliffe on steel guitar. GROSS: I think its time for another break. But theres a medication you can take that aborts the fertilized egg from your fallopian tube. If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. Shires has released seven solo albums starting in 2005, her most recent being Take It Like a Man in 2022. And then you also youve got guys thatll back you up. 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And it took me back to the reason I came to writing and doing music in the first place, which is expression and trying to do something for me that could make me make sense, I guess. And because of that, I felt like we should make it something thats as safe as it can possibly be. Well be right back. A lark in the shower from the night to the morning after. Isbell said he had to cancel his Asheville shows scheduled for Jan. 11-12, but he and his team are working to reschedule shows in Louisville, Columbus, Wilkes-Barre and Wilmington. Also, during this time when I was leaving, I was thinking about how [my daughter] Mercy picked up a kazoo and she could play a kazoo. And I was really into that. I think a lot of women are born healers and nurturers. When Shires was in the hospital giving birth to their daughter, Mercy, in 2015, she had to disclose to her doctor, with her husband and mother in the room, that shed had an abortion. It is not trapped in your throat. So its probably important to stay alive before you start questioning your liberty.. In my case, I blame the education system, but I didnt even know what an ectopic pregnancy was. For the past decade or so, Amanda Shires has sung about the dark shades of relationships lapsed communication, broken trust, fading intimacy with a devastating eye for detail. Shires would go on to make a name for herself, both as a solo artist and as the founder of the country supergroup The Highwomen, which includes Brandi Carlile, Maren Morris and Natalie Hemby. In 2017, for her solo work, she was named emerging artist of the year at the Americana Music & Honors Awards ceremony. SHIRES: But I like it because I like to imagine like, if he was alive and I got to play this for him, I would be singing Im your Amanda. How are we going to police that? In 2016 there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Kitty Eisele adapted it for the web. Shires, who was touring with the Texas Playboys when she was still a teenager, has a sense of responsibility thats been good for him, he says. OK. And he married my grandmother. Being from Muscle Shoals is kind of like having a cool tattoo or something., After getting sober, writing and recording the new album felt more natural to me, says Isbell, lighting a cigarette as seagulls caw overhead. The 100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time Is a chrysalis a butterfly? And I said, I dont know. And if you want a doctor, Ill examine every inch of you. How Trump's Team Conned Susan Collins Into Dooming Roe v. Wade, Add Abortion to the List of Things Republicans Are Blaming for Uvalde, Want to Know What Politics Looks Like After Roe? And then coupled with the pandemic and all that, he was on self-preservation mode, and I was too. Teaching himself to hear his own songs objectively has been one of the harder lessons to learn, he says: Its impossible to get that distance for me. On August 9, 2021 Wade was leaked last month, Amanda Shires shared some personal news on social media. And so I just had to get emergency surgery to remove the tube and clean the blood from inside of my body. Ive found and scrounged and continue to for every interview that hes done in any form, in any language. SHIRES: She did. Musician Adia Victoria also tweeted at Isbell and praised the artist for continuing to put the health and safety ofhis crew, my band, venue employees and fans first and foremost, to which he replied with three heart emojis. Hearing these stories, I think that it makes your backbone stronger. For those who are unfamiliar, it is impossible for an ectopic pregnancy to go to term. Why werent you accepting it? Its an often-times divisive topic, and I dont want to bring any hurt to my family by doing something like putting out a song about this topic, but I lost all that fear when I got angry. Isbells grandfather and uncle were both musicians, says Tompkins on the phone from Nashville. This is FRESH AIR. GROSS: Oh, thats great. And I was trying to sing that song A Little Walk With You (ph). You have your fiddle with you. The song is named "Parking Lot Pirouette" for its protagonist's graceful forwardness, her decisive movement to prolong a pleasurable dalliance. We just couldnt get along. The Highwomen were tapped as last-minute fill ins, though founding member Amanda Shires was unable to attend as she continues to recover from an emergency Its no fun but well be alright.. In 2020, she penned an op-ed for Rolling Stone about why abortion rights matter. I want Garth Brooks out there telling people that womens health is a priority. And if anyone asks me, Ill say whats true I dont know. 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